Home.loans buyer has had success with websites built on new top level domain names.
New top level domain name company Donuts announced today that it has sold the domain name home.loans for $500,000. This is the highest publicly reported sale of a domain name under a new top level domain name to date.
Entrepreneur Blake Janover bought the domain name and is launching a site covering residential home loans. Janover has a fascinating story that he relayed to Domain Name Wire for a podcast that will be published on Monday.
Janover built a successful commercial lending business last decade only to see it evaporate as the world’s economy cratered in the Great Recession. He lost his fortune.
The fallout landed him on a beach in a fishing village in the Dominican Republic. While decompressing on the beach one day, a friend called him up and urged him to get back into multifamily residential financing.
So as Janover relaxed in a hammock, he went to GoDaddy and registered MultiFamily.Loans. He set up a site on Squarespace, added good content and got it crawled by Google. Amazingly, the site instantly ranked high on Google for “Multifamily Loans” despite lacking history or backlinks.
He went on to register other .loans domains such as HUD.Loans and CommercialRealEstate.Loans, created websites for them, and saw them rank high for the terms in the domains as well as other keywords. He was on to something.
Now he’s upping the ante with home.loans.
Buying any domain name for $500,000 for a new business is a risk, and many people will look at Janover’s choice of a new top level domain name instead of .com as an even bigger risk. But Janover looks at it differently. He told Domain Name Wire:
I’m a real estate guy and look at it from a real estate perspective. .Com, .net, doesn’t feel like an effective use of this digital real estate that I’m buying. I’m buying the top of your screen. I mean, what does .com really mean anymore anyway, what is its utility? And I’m not talking bad about it. I’m just saying that for everybody that wanted to buy two-word domains, you had to have two words plus like some little thing at the end of it.
For Janover, every time he tells someone the domain name, he’s able to start an interesting conversation.
He also owns .loan domain names but thinks that home.loans is better for his purpose than home.loan.
For more on the purchase and why Janover thinks the domain is worth the price, check in to Domain Name Wire Monday morning to listen to the full podcast.
Did he try to negotiate at all? Seems like an out of line price for a new gtld.
He discusses how it came about in the podcast that will air on Monday.
Domainers shouldn’t take such news too seriously. Firstly, even if the sale is real, there have been few substantial sales of newgTLDs among dozens of millions of registered inventory and maybe another 100m ‘booked-premium’ inventory. Secondly, who can guarantee that Donuts will not ‘support’ the buyer over the next 10 years with ‘marketing budget’ of say $450k? Who knows. For registries such news is worth much more than theoretical $450k. Be smart, be suspicious guys.
Agree, why would anyone pay 500k for it?
The mortgage loan industry in the United States is worth a whopping $10 Trillion USD … The question is why wouldn’t he pay $500K for the name … Hahahaha
~ owners of Mortgage.Loans
Home.loans is Great brandable name. The names with are beginning to gain traction. Congrats!
Good try, Colin. You ain’t fooling anyone.
They already did with .club. Silly buyers purchasing from registry or through pumped intensively promoted auctions are probably starting to realise that further re-sales are kind of ‘mission-impossible’. It applies to all newGs, not .club only.
But for many newGs even solid marketing doesn’t work, so last chance is (probably) fake or coloured news which hopefully might spread the world and keep this dead body alive still for a while, at least till the time when current investors manage to get rid of stocks. This is business guys! Not domain business, just business!
OMG Colin you missed all your marks, and predictions, you cried over selling wine.club for $140K, it hasn’t done anything ever since except go down in value.
Moreso gtlds are on a downward trend, a one off sale is not going to save this niche.
If this guy lost it all, how can he fund $500K for a domain that is going to give all the traffic to wells fargo?
The big credit.club chaos, $250K domain was going to be turned into a big business, the lucky reg fee buyer wink wink sold it for $5K to a russian, and took the money, and ran!
What a waste of money. He sure does not understand market price as he overbought by about 10X.
@Andrew
Considering this is THE largest new gTLD domain sale in HISTORY, to date. I’d be interested to know if you were given PROOF of this transaction. An actual proof of transfer of funds…. How does anyone know if this mortgage business was hypothetically valued at a million dollars and Donuts was just assigned half of the company shares. I find it hard to believe that a business person, any business person, even one with a great track record of success, would drop half a million on this. What great timing for this PR piece, see you at NamesCon.
It was an all-cash transaction.
it’s not too late to take back – find.cars
p.s. cars.digital – is still available. 😉
He can’t pay $3K a year in renewals, at least this one is only $75
Look peeps – this is no threat to anything, much less .com. Anyone with an honest mind considering the real world of end users can tell you that while a billion of them may not be worth much, “Home.Loans” is worth that and more. An great example of one of the best of the best of the new.
A great, not an great* (lol) 😉
Good luck to him, he gonna need it.
He should of bought some good one-word .Com’s at wholesale prices with that money, then sold them at retail prices, then use the profits to pay for home.loans
That is a nice way of saying that he wasted his money on a non-dot com domain name. 😉
“Janover built a successful commercial lending business last decade only to see it evaporate as the world’s economy cratered in the Great Recession. He lost his fortune.
The fallout landed him on a beach in a fishing village in the Dominican Republic. While decompressing on the beach one day, a friend called him up and urged him to get back into multifamily residential financing.”
FADE IN:
So Mr. Janover loses his fortune and decides to take a vacay to a beachside village in the D.R. While lounging on a hammock, he jolts up, then dashes across the sand to a village Cyber Cafe and decided to buy Home.loans, for er, 500 K USD.
EXT. Beach – Later
Janover scrolls, with iPad placed on his belly. He lounges on a hammock and sips a rum drink.
INSERT: SCREEN –
Website: HOME.LOANS
EXT. BEACH –
Alluring Dominicana, looking like a SI swimsuit model, capers over to Janover. She hugs him. Janover smiles.
JANOVER
Baby, we’re making a fortune. This site is incredible.And
just think, I was lost and broke when I got here.
DOMINICAN BEAUTY
You’re home sweet home, querida.
JANOVER
Home.Loans, baby. Home.Loans. Not
HomeLoans.com. All because of Home.Loans.
The Dominican girl looks at the empty and cocktail glasses under the hammock and smiles.
VOICEOVER
Home.Loans – with the right domain, you can do
business from anywhere. Even a hammock. in
paradise. That’s Home dotLoans. Not HomeLoan
dot.com
Lose your fortune and buy a dot loans for 500 K and
get your piece of paradise
FADEOUT on the SUNSET
INSERT: CLOUDS Spell HOME DOT LOANS
LOL. Loved it.
capers.hilarious
Congratulations to the seller and buyer!
An advertising stunt for an otherwise dead domain extension … simply ridiculous. 🙂
I mean “a marketing stunt”. Typo, sorry 🙂
Janover, a real estate guy, asks, “What does .com really mean anymore anyway, what is its utility?”
.COM is prime property (location, location)
Homeloans.com is on Park Avenue, the Bundt district of Shanghai, Key Biscayne, the 7th Arrondisement of Paris, Mayfair in London, Piazza Navona area n Rome, Los Altos in Silicon Valley…
Home.Loans. is located in a fishing village in the D.R. Great place to fish and enjoy the scenery, but not much upside on increasing the property valuation, unless a resort moves next to your spot in Paradise
But, hey, work hard and build an amazing site and he can turn that fishing village into the next St.Barts
Me: I prefer to build in the best location….but that’s me
I can understand if he purchased Home.loans for even 5 K and decided to use the rest of his savings to build an amazing site/app
But Home.Loans for 500 K USD? Er, uh, OK :;
He’ll be back on that Dominican beach one day trying to figure out where it all went wrong, or he’ll upgrade to .com and maybe make it long term.
It takes end users years to figure this out but most do eventually.
So when some .com domain sells to end user for six-seven figures, people are like wow, well done etc. If it is ngtld that sells to end user for six figures then same people are like end user is looser, stupid etc. What an end user discrimination. Drain this swamp too lol
Sergey, do you realise how many .com and how many newGs sell, velocity of each of them, volume by $ and by count, do you realise marketing budgets of newG registries?
People react negatively and they don’t necessarily believe the case as it’s presented, because the news suggests that sale like this is something normal. Factually it’s like seeing a penguin in Africa.
High sales of newG aren’t impossible, but circumstances of publications of such news matter a lot, because of many reasons which are known for veterans of the industry only.
P.S.
I never have anything against great news portals in domain industry, which do fantastic job, Andrew especially here. But I am afraid they may be abused to propagate more appealing reality than it is.
IMHO great sale is great sale, whether it is .com or ngtld. We all know that a domain is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay for it. No need to blame it on end user.
Regarding ngtld marketing: when some broker closes .com multi-million deal, nobody says what a crap this broker did – it is evident brokers do some marketing too.
As to circumstances of publications, I think not all people see this sale to be presented as something normal: below are few tweets from my timeline:
“This is a watershed moment for #newGTLDs”, “Home.loans sold for USD 500k, what a great nTLD Premium domain name! Congratulations!”, “Donuts Announces Biggest New gTLD Domain Sale Reported to Date – Home.loans “, “Largest premium new top-level domain sale to date. @DonutsInc Congrats on this blockbuster sale!” – these tweets imply people see this sale as something extraordinaire, not normal.
“….Regarding ngtld marketing: when some broker closes .com multi-million deal, nobody says what a crap this broker did – it is evident brokers do some marketing too…..”
When I see brokers selling these new TLDs I think of them as sycophant brokers who sell turd domains that may ruin people’s lives while knowingly glossing over the fact that the domain may ruin everything they every worked for or will build.
No excuse to be selling life-ruining domains. I hope they can’t sleep at night or are stupid enough to not know better.
Blake Janover, the president of American Debt Settlement Solutions? This Florida Kardashian taking selfies in traffic and leaving a trail of dead? https://www.trustlink.org/Reviews/American-Debt-Settlement-Solutions-Inc-206034723. https://www.consumerfinance.gov/policy-compliance/enforcement/actions/american-debt-settlement-solutions-inc-michael-depanni/. It would appear that that is not your 500K, kid.
Even entering ‘consumer real estate loans’ doesn’t get you to his consumerrealestate.loans, so why move forward with a failed premise? (I gave up looking at page ten. Somebody else can sidestep dusty cow skulls from page 10 onward.)
The Adwords competition for things like ‘afghani parasailing’ and ‘multifamily loans’ is very low. But a search term like ‘home loans’ is a drowner. It’s like Googling the letter ‘e.’ He has paid 500K for floorspace in the Sargasso. Are vampire squid an untapped market?
In a kinder world, this guy would just be laundering Dominican drug money. But no. Everyone in this industry who had a meaty fist in this ‘.loans, .loan, .credit, .money, .mortgage, .sucka’ sale needs to send a muffin basket to this guy’s parents.
Noticed the same, “weird” buyer … to say the least … 🙂
Looks like one of those guys selling hot air, involved in borderline businesses, like “dietary supplements” not approved by FDA, debt settlements, recovery and other financial scams, direct marketing scams, etc …
Definitely not a guy I’d do business with.
Now you know how he paid $500K without a whimper to donuts
Only one who will profit is:
NYSE: WFC – Jan. 23, 6:05 p.m. EST
64.49USD
Andrea, what he looks like has nothing to do with this domain.
I have seen a picture of you and your lawyer friends and you are not much to look at yourself.
I was not referring to his look, can’t you read? lol
I’ve yet to come across any other male domainer who has the charm, eloquence and/or good looks to do well in face to face biz dev. 😉
Look at the domain he was using then
americandebtss.com
He doesn’t know anything about domains, just ripping off poor young girls who racked up to much on their credit cards
*commercial. No returns for ‘commercial real estate loans’ ten deep+ on Google.
Something about this reminds me of the Beauty.cc sale for $1 million in 2000.
You nailed it! :), totally agree.
Donuts has been in the witness protection program since this hit. I would love to see the Escrow for this transaction.
Put me in the skeptic column.
Should be a good interview…
Just remember, folks. If you ever go broke, you can always go down to the D.R, set up shop on a hammock in a tiny fishing village, buy a .loans domain for 500 K USD and get a fresh start.
It’s a pretty site: home.loans. I notice the office is a virtual and/or shared office space in Miami. So maybe Blake’s still working on that hammock in the D.R.
What’s next? News of Auto.loans being sold for one million USD, and voila, another pretty site? LMFAO ; ;
Shut the hell up and get a life all you losers! You just simply talk negative about everything because you know you have nothing to make you feel important. Just shut your filthy mouths and go make some money. It’s not your 500k why do you need to interfere or give your nasty comments about the sale. Get a freaking life MFs!!!!!
Because we are in the domain business, friend. I’ll say what I want, when I want.
God Bless America!
Sorry but this guy has no understanding about domain name.First, he said what does .com really mean?Anyway, let me explain to you further…with .com you don’t struggle in marketing.So you’re just going to loose traffic to your competitor.If you’ve made the purchase for home.loans and have something great coming up.Good luck and don’t say what you don’t know or understand about .com.
Exactly. I’ve been in this business for over twenty years. I’ve watched the same same scenario play out with dotMobi, dotTravel, etc. The bottom line is that the public has never cared. In my opinion, there is more than meets the eye here with this sale, but it’s not my money and I hope the buyer makes a gazillion dollars with the name. However, when a buyer buys a gTLD and then slams dotCom to justify his purchase it raises a huge red flag. If you want to buy 100 acres in the boonies that’s your business. Just don’t tell me you’re doing it because no one wants to live on Park Avenue anymore.
Because I took one quote out of the podcast, I think I should note that he made it clear there’s nothing wrong with .com, just he thinks this is better. You can get the full story in the podcast on Monday.
.COM is the MOST memorable & marketed BRAND in History. No other brand or company has come close to the brand recognition as DOT COM and this guy who clearly sounds very naive by his comment, “what is a .com’s utility?” drops $500K right before NamesCON? Timing? Sounds like Namescon is going to be one big NGTLD Dump, their failing. Only a sucker would still invest in the Titanic as it sinks.
This Stinks so badly, it makes Hillary Clinton smell like a rose. Andrew, you are truly discrediting DNW by not providing PROOF of this.
This guys story is a complete joke too, it looks like he is a just a scammer. But any smart startup may choose a NGTLD to start because they can’t afford the .com, but they don’t spend anywhere near $500K.
This is a massive FRAUD and without Proof, your REPUTATION IS questionable!
Prove it
You are living proof and a real life example, your on DNW.com, why aren’t you on a NGTLD blog? Why are most ALL the companies/websites you shop or visit use a .com domain?
Andrew is happy to promote fake NGTLD stories without PROOF because he makes money from doing so off suckers which is exactly why there is a banner at the top of the DNW site that leads to OpenSRS.com article which a is a complete fabrication on how the NGTLD’s are really doing. Just ask Domain King, the NGTLD’s are an absolute failure being run as class pyramid schemes desperate to attract new suckers because Regs are dropping like flies.
This isn’t the 1st time NGTLD’s have faked a sale, remember the .NYC auctions?
If you look closely, you’ll see DNW doesn’t care for NGTLD’s because if they did, they wouldn’t own DNW.com or DomainNameWire.com. If they truly believed in any other extension OVER .com, then they would be redirecting those domains to the NGTLD, but clearly they understand .COM is king, but are happy to promote garbage extensions so they can MAKE MONEY.
Andrew would rather risk his reputation than care about readers (suckers) who may make
bad bets on NGTLD’s because of Fake Sales he promotes on DNW. If he cared, there would be proof, but there is NO PROOF, because it’s all a FARCE to gain more suckers at NamesCON.
Guys, don’t offend Andrew please. He does great job. It is not his fault or intention that having solid audience people want to use this community to promote their products. As I read and listen to podcasts, Andrew doesn’t join the nGs propaganda and he’s aware of what’s going on.
Regarding a proof. They protected themselves for sure. What would you like to see? Bank transfer on $500k or escrow? Surely no problem, they aren’t stupid to publish purely fake news. But any payment of $500k can’t prove what sort of deal there is and how the buyer will be rewarded or supported.
Posting my comment as the second comment to this article, I didn’t do any research as you guys and even didn’t read the article from a to z precisely because I am able to instantly smell what’s going on here in such ‘’$500k newG purchase’. Seeing the information that you found, just omg…, $500k purchase and $499k „payback” or something else.
IMO, experienced domainers don’t have a problem with newGs. We have a problem with attempts of registries to impose different reality than it’s, simply to fool buyers to press newg Buy/Register button immediately, preferebly “premium buy button”.
Seriously? How could you say Andrew doesn’t “Join the nG’s propaganda” when that is exactly what he is doing and yes, of course, he is aware he is spreading fake sale propaganda right before NamesCON to line his pockets. Did you not read my last message or did you just not understand it? Do you not see the OpenSRS Banner at the top of the site promoting a complete fabrication of the NGTLD industry which has now changed wording to say “The emerging Indian market.
And to say in your previous comment that domainers shouldn’t take a sale like this too seriously, really?
DNW.com is spreading misinformation for an alleged domain sale that is the highest NGTLD sale in history and your saying not to take it seriously? Insanity, people are going to lose money basing their decisions off this as that’s how many people come to a price on domains is sales. In doing so, DNW has completely discredited their brand. Believe me, if there is an ALL-Cash deal for the largest NGTLD sale in history, there is Proof, but it’s all a scam, even the buyer is a scammer.
As Michael Castello pointed out, DNJournal actually confirms sales so they are a credible source, DNW has not proven this sale nor will they because it is entirely fake, they know, everyone knows, except the suckers that will get sucked into the ponzi scheme at NamesCON.
Andrew may as well be promoting Herbalife with all those distributors making hundreds of thousands a month. LMAO! Wanna join?
Home.loans is in latest DNJournal sales report. Either DNJournal is ngtld propaganda source too or you owe Andrew an apology. What is your choice Reuben?
I noticed that as well, but oddly enough, there’s still no Proof. And even more ironic is Ron Jackson got Escrow.com proof for the 2nd highest sale of The.Club but not a word about proof of the highest reported NGTLD sale of all time, don’t you find that odd?
Maybe just maybe just like the MSM that is full of fake propaganda, the domain industry is too, as John Colascione pointed out.
I don’t owe anyone an apology until I see PROOF, Andrew owes his readers and apology for spreading fake sales designed to suck people into their ponzi scheme because that’s exactly how many of these NGTLD’s are run.
Assuming is a big mistake … If you’re unhappy of how this sale then walk away from this industry, plain and simple … I’ll bet you’ll be watching the size of the pupils as Blake Janover speaks on Monday about how he really acquired home.loans, and Donuts isn’t stupid enough to commit such big fraud, they are not just one individual buddy, you think all agreed “hey everyone, let’s fake a GTLD sale and make everyone believe this one guy bought a name for half a million, oh and let’s hire a website, oh and let’s hire a guy by the name of Blake Janover, give him “history” all be it polluted history in this history and allow him to tell his story to other investors out there, and maybe this story will spark interest for investors to buy our .loans domains …” Really ? You think that would be a smart move ? If they really wanted to commit fraud and manipulate market, why not just make 1000 sales at $500 each in one extension … Supply and demand is way more powerful then a single sale buddy and PS – this isn’t the highest GTLD sale of all time, look at Sex.XXX for $3,000,000 !?
Do I think it’s right ? Hell yes, I believe the world is changing and people think 20 years represents a whole lot in the internet world … It doesn’t come close to what’s coming, and you’re naive if you doubt people so outright as you have so done to Andrew … Andrew told a simple story and there is going to be a podcast to support this sale, and Home.Loans is already a running company as are the other GTLDs in this blog !
Little background for you Reuben,
I worked with Al Asadi, Ali Zandi, James Booth, Chirag Chavda, Sharjil Saleem (whom I don’t trust) … And a lot of the big names you hear in the news ! I’ve made well over 5,000 phone calls to the biggest companies in the world and I’ve spoken to many people.
I’ve spoken to the Domain King himself, and all the big investors that follow in his footsteps, I have most certainly learned a whole lot from all of them !
I represented 77.com once upon a time exclusively and have shared contracts for brokership on VR.com and over 15 LL.com domains and 3 NN.com domains …
I have always supported .com and I don’t think this sale is going to change the .com market for bad reasons, or somehow pursuade people to invest in .loans, in a supposed attempt at a get rich scheme marketed by the Registrars
… As I said above, if that was the case, why not manipulate the market through one thousand sales at $500 a piece … Or ten thousand sales at $50 a piece … While we’re at it, maybe just 100,000 sales at $5 a piece and build a simple site for all of them and market half of them … They could surely afford that right ?
Surely being a “strict” .com investor you are well aware that the people here and on other “supposed” influenced sites (which is not the case here) will look at many sales, not just one !
I seldom comment on these posts but your demeanor is just so negative, it would be atrocious to be in your presence, rest assured I would be wearing sunglasses Mr. Grinch ! I don’t want my face to melt like your other victims, if that’s how you present yourself over the internet I can only imagine the kind of trash you’d say to someones’ face !
Alessandro,
The ONLY people “Assuming” are the ones thinking this sale actually happened without any Proof.
You said: “And Donuts isn’t stupid enough?” Are you kidding me? Who iin their right mind takes a company by the name of Donuts seriously, maybe someone who’s had too many donuts!
Just because Donuts is a big company means absolutely nothing, Bernie Madoff ran a much bigger company, Enron, the list goes on and on of BIG companies that have defrauded their customers.
Btw, the bulk of Donuts investments are NGTLD’s so it’s no surprise to a company that will do anything to make a profit, at all costs after all, they are making HUGE GAMBLES on NGTLD’s being successful when most all of them are complete and total failures with Regs dropping more and more every year.
And if you think there isn’t ANY Corruption in the domain industry, WAKE UP!
Andrea already pointed out Blake is a scammer with very questionable business dealings and you don’t go from broke to putting $500K on Black or Red, when you lost it all betting on real estate already.
And really, historical sales for a NGTLD is exactly what brings in new suckers, if there were no sales history, it’s practically impossible to attract new suckers. And with Donut’s making a INSANE gambles in the NGTLD space, likely the largest investor in NGTLD’s, they are a private company too with lots of capital invested so the TRUTH is hidden in plain sight for those that are SMART like the Domain King, just look at NTLDstats.com. Do you know how a Ponzi Scheme works?
It’s easier to pull off a huge fraud which is much harder to track especially without Proof of the sale. You scam 1000 customers and your brand will be tarnished real quick. You don’t realize the desperation these NGTLD companies have to stay relevant as investors have millions at stake. Many of these sales are also highly questionable, how do you know, especially without proof, that this sale actually happened, are you just gullible to believe anything a BIG company tells you? With all the investors in Donuts, the CEO could have “sold” this domain to a friend, Blake for nothing and can say whatever he wants for the price, what PROOF do you have to prove this wrong? ZERO!
Not only is there unlimited supply of NGTLD’s, there’s also Little to NO demand. Andrew has done more than tell a simple story here, he is spreading false misinformation with absolutely NO PROOF to back up his claims. That is not only bad business as he is making money off NGTLD’s as I pointed out earlier, but it is also bad for his readers and his reputation in this industry. This whole thing is very cleverly designed to suck in more suckers at NamesCON.
Don’t get mad at me for simply asking for proof for the largest recorded NGTLD sale in history, it should be common sense, but then again, if you watch too much CNN, common sense ain’t so common, you can keep believing all the fake news you want, I will keep my head above the water, you can go down with the NGTLD’s. GOOD LUCK!
Rueben, you are doing the same to Andrew as you are accusing him of. Kind of hypocritical don’t you think?
You say it’s a fraud. Where’s your proof? Tit for tat, no?
You say, “Seriously? How could you say Andrew doesn’t “Join the nG’s propaganda” when that is exactly what he is doing and yes, of course, he is aware he is spreading fake sale propaganda right before NamesCON to line his pockets. “
Andrew always has demonstrated authenticity and integrity on his/this blog.
He may have given a “voice” to persons who promote extensions and provide insight and opinions that differ with members/persons who visit this site, but Andrew has been objective —
Is the Home.Loans sale legitimate; namely (pardon the pun), an all cash transaction, or did it comprise other financial instruments (equity, earnouts, etc, I have no idea).
Obviously, THE.CLUB deal is legitimate — as one, that’s a great name — and I could see a valuation of xxxxxx. and two, Ron Jackson viewed the escrow transaction.
Steve, it was an all-cash transaction, one-time payment. Happened H2 2017, and they just announced it. Beta site when live this week.
Timing couldn’t be better, how convenient to announce the largest recorded sale of a NGTLD right before NamesCON without any PROOF! I couldn’t have cooked a better meal in time!
So what he was saying essentially is that Home.Loans is better than HomeLoans.com. What a joke!
Peter,
Would you like some Donuts? With or without holes? Sugar Coated? Sprinkles? 2 for $1….just for you!
Real … Or not real … I shall tell you Reuben if there is cow being milked or a chicken cooking his own eggs ! As it once upon a time my job to read the cards of the man sitting across from me, And I do agree with you on one thing !
The world is unfortunately filled with more liars then trustworthy folks; all be it the examples you provided, Bernie Madoff was one man and when he told his kids about what his business model was, that is who turned him in, his own children … In the case of Donuts, you don’t think every single employee at that company doesn’t know about this sale ? I would bet even the janitor does and rest assured, if the deal was fake or real, you’ll know here soon !
But I will know by Monday for one hundred percent positivity ! Not 99, not 98, but 100.
Make all the jokes you want, it was an assumption on your behalf, and you probably assume sex.xxx for $3M was a fake sale too, hmmm … And you’re going to tell me porn is worth more then home loans ? Lmao. You think it’s a coincidence the banks own these names … CitiBank – hmmm, $15T in assets, paid how much for both Mortgage.com and Mortgage.biz (ahhh but I bet you didn’t know that) nor did you account Bank of America and Loans.com ! MindGeek has a monopoly for sure in the porn industry but they don’t even come close to knocking off the change on the counter of one of 200,000 employees at Bank of America.
$500,000 on an operational business with a supply in the trillions of dollars and half of all the American consumers this year are buying a new home … It’s a no brainer !
Now wether or not Donuts is lying about the sale, remains to be seen, we shall see… We shall see
“Steve, it was an all-cash transaction, one-time payment. Happened H2 2017, and they just announced it. Beta site when live this week.”
Thanks, Andrew.
Home.Loans is a very nice site for Beta. No disputing that.
Curious: What would you estimate the valuation of HomeLoans.com (just domain, no site, etc)? 1 million, 2 million?
Vacation Rentals.com received 35 million USD, but even the CEO admitted he paid that price primarily to keep it out of the hands of Expedia.
I know you didn’t ask me Steve but I couldn’t help but comment,
Investor wise – HomeLoans.com I can see selling for $1M – $5M …
Enduser wise (big banks) (network aggregators) – $10M + if you had a bidding war going on, realistically the 1st offer you’d see from this side would be a couple million but over time the offer would increase …
Yes, vacationrentals.com sold for $35M in 2007 and then HomeAway (owners) sold their company to Expedia for $3,900,000,000 USD / not bad if you ask me !
And look at PrivateJet.com or LasVegas.com … great names but not in comparison to HomeLoans.com in my honest opinion !
LasVegas.com is worth more than all of them.
No doubt LasVegas.com is certainly a powerful name but I would not count it more powerful then HomeLoans.com in terms of industry valuation and value … In terms of domains though; yes Lasvegas is a specific city, and yes there is multiple streams of revenue potential available to the owner / owners …
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LV_Strip_(Nevada_gaming_area)
https://www.federalreserve.gov/data/files/frb_mdo_historical.csv
On the other hand, this mortgage debt sheet of the United States represents trillions and trillions of dollars monitored by the Federal Reserve ^ and it is a gigantic complicated system that reaps rewards and favor for its shareholders > too much money too count
If someone told me homeloans.com sold for $500k, I would understand. Same thing at $1M or $2M. I haven’t looked too much into the market or search volumes.
I don’t think VacationRentals.com is a good comp for anything.
@Alessandro
Thank you for the feedback and comments.
As I said before, IMHO it’s just a well-organized (they think so …) marketing stunt …
It doesn’t matter, it makes no difference if you say it’s an all cash transaction, processed with escrow, or that it has been listed on DNjournal.com.
The transaction may have taken place, but I think there was no money really changing hands, you know you can even pay someone to purchase something from you … there are so many ways to fabricate a transaction and to make it look like it’s real …
Sorry, but I don’t drink the kool-aid … 🙂
Some folks thought Manhattan was too pricey once upon a time and those prices have increased. Some folks today have a vision for digital real estate. Like Manhattan, space is limited (by names).
I recently invested in SanAntonio.Homes – I think the TLD has enormous SEO potential having meaningful information on both sides of the dot and it clearly defines what my business is… not unlike Home.Loans.
There is value in digital real estate. Time will determine if the vision is correct.
LMAO! You could have gotten SanAntonioHomes.com and people would be able to find you. The ONLY people that know .homes is even extension are the people invested in it or domainers that were smart enough not too. Because that’s what your visitors will be typing and going, you will bleed tons of traffic to the .com if you even get any traffic as you certainly wont be ranking for “San Antonio Homes”, all the BIG .coms have that space dominated.
And I am going to be ROFL when someone buys Home.Loan because it’s the #1 NGTLD, .Loans is not even in the Top 30. This sale was a complete FAKE! It’s ranked #325
https://ntldstats.com/tld
With well over 1,000 different extensions, you think people are going to know .homes is even a website address.
.homes is ranked #478, GOOD LUCK! Should of went to the Casino
https://ntldstats.com/tld
The Grinch strikes again ! This time on a random man he does not know who invested in the San Antonio real-estate market using a .homes extension !
In retrospect Reuben, you’re the fool here, the sale was real, watch the podcast. All be it you’re upset that this is the case, you can now plead to everyone who cares, how you believe Blake overspent
The Grinch? Christmas is over buddy, I am not stealing anyones dreams by pointing out the obvious. For those that have dreams, the NGTLD’s are not going to help people achieve those dreams.
There are very few successful companies using NGTLD’s and they are ONLY doing so because the .com is too expensive and they eventually all upgrade if they are super successful.
A podcast is not proof, The.club had Escrow proof, Home.loans does not.
As Andrea said above:
As I said before, IMHO it’s just a well-organized (they think so …) marketing stunt …
It doesn’t matter, it makes no difference if you say it’s an all cash transaction, processed with escrow, or that it has been listed on DNjournal.com.
The transaction may have taken place, but I think there was no money really changing hands, you know you can even pay someone to purchase something from you … there are so many ways to fabricate a transaction and to make it look like it’s real …
Sorry, but I don’t drink the kool-aid …
Al – You make a great analogy. There is certainly nothing wrong with dot-com domain names. That said, there are great domain names available that happen to end with something other than dot-com. Many businesses are evaluating these alternatives and making a decision that provides the best value wrt building their online presence. I applaud your vision and appreciate your support of the .Homes extension – thank you!
Sounds like someone is making money off Al’s poor investment in the unknown instead of the established and proven .com, the king of domains. NOBODY knows or will visit your .homes domains, they are great for spam, but not much else.
You always have to have those encouraging others to join their ponzi scheme in order to keep it growing.
The renewals on these .homes domains, OUCH, not to mention they can be drastically increased to any price.
@Al Cannistra @Jim
Don’t mind Reuben, he is more then likely one of these guys trying to tell us we’re doing poorly with our investments when we’re the only ones hitting holes in one !
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I9S7ScQfjSk
When you have to market and sell the NGTLD to help pump up the ponzi scheme instead of focusing on building your business, you’ll have to weigh which will die faster, you or the NGTLD.
.com is as old as me so thinking these new extensions will gain any marketshare and most importantly adoption by the public at large in your lifetime is not only insane, it’s laughable.
The only holes you’ll be hitting are holes in your wallet from getting burned by these companies.
.com is the most marketed and well known brand in the world, it’s everywhere. .loans and .homes are non-existent extensions.
I will say it again:
The ONLY people that know .homes is even extension are the people invested in it or domainers that were smart enough not too. Because your visitors will be typing .com, you will bleed tons of traffic to the .com if you even get any traffic as you certainly wont be ranking for “San Antonio Homes”, all the BIG .coms have that space dominated.
No organic traffic, just spam, home.loans is never going to rank for “home loans” phrase, Guaranteed Rate, one of the top 5, doesn’t even rank for that phrase, they have to advertise. The NGTLD is worthless, no value, people wont trust it for a loan company, maybe you should have given yourself a loan to get the .com
Reuben
Thanks for your comments. It was not that long ago that folks did not know what a dot com was. I am in for the long haul. Education will get people there – and brand recognition will follow.
Some investors are already in for the ride. There is opportunity here.
In or out is everyone’s personal choice.
Not that long ago? Just well over a quarter of a century! Education, you think any of these NGTLD’s ponzi schemes are going to put money towards educating the public, that’s wishful thinking especially since they have of history of not doing anything to educate the public at large, but their happy to take your money because every ponzi needs new suckers, especially with all the attrition.
@Reuben
Holes in my wallet aye ? Buddy I don’t know about you but I’m a pretty successful motherf#%^*
I make more in 10 hours then you make in a month so buzz off weed wacker !
Not as old as .com … that’s not obvious
You’re a fool for thinking the history of the Internet, from the beginning of CERN, to now is all we have a store; when in fact there used to be a time when people asked, what is the internet ?
Educate the public, you think .com educated the public or you think time predicted the future …
If you were worth more than me, you certainly wouldn’t be investing and defending NGTLD’s because the people that made money as domain investors, did so with .com domains, not junk ponzi schemes which have come and gone throughout the history of the internet. If you had money, you would be playing with the kings and not the pigeon shit.
Most everyone jumping off the cliff with NGTLD’s have lost money and will continue to lose money.
Your right, there was a time when people asked what is the internet, that was until they started seeing .coms everywhere. .com is the internet, it is psychologically programmed into the masses, all the great companies in the world own a .com domain, their not changing course for your pigeon shit games, they know value.
And I don’t know about you making more in 10 hours than I make in a month, but ones things for sure, you certainly are doing a lot to defend these ponzi schemes, likely because you can’t play with the big boys.
@Reuben
Your logic is flawed, you think because GTLDs come into play that somehow or another .com is going to go down in value … It doesn’t work that way buddy, and that’s the only reason why you want to argue here, because you believe somehow or another me or anyone else here who invests in prime GTLDs is against TLDs. You couldn’t be more wrong, I invest in both markets, and I own more TLDs then GTLDs … But I do believe the Internet world is changing wether or not you want to believe it or succumb to it; it is.
My logic is not flawed at all, your assuming how I think, I think NGTLD’s have driven up the value of .coms as it’s easier than ever for people to know the difference between valuable digital real estate vs. worthless pigeon shit.
I am not arguing with you, I am just pointing out the obvious facts because, unlike you, I deal in facts, and the fact is NGTLD’s will never compare to .com domains so why are you wasting your time unless your not able to roll with the big buys so you keep thinking small.
You might as well join a pyramid scheme MLM company, you do know there are people at the top that make millions, while most make little to nothing. You would probably do better in one of those considering they sell tangible products that you can use.
Manhattan is .com, NGTLD’s are the slums, tent cities, and much like those, the facts don’t look good for NGTLD’s
@Reuben
I stand correct, you are indeed a fool. If you want everyone here to believe that you believe GTLDs are driving up the value of .com then why would you tell everyone here to stop investing in GTLDs … That’s truly hilarious, maybe you’re just bad a business man and maybe I am wrong for assuming you know this industry and you have the ability to entertain some form of intelligent conversation; in fact it is insulting that you provide such polluted information – pyramid scheme – GTLDs are not a pyramid scheme, you might want to look up the definition of that one.
There are people here, who are confused or believe Blake overpaid, and that’s fine. It’s just an opinion but downright saying that you believe in facts when you enjoy playing with ideas – pyramid schemes, and fraud, is just truly hilarious to me. If you had any intelligence, you would just say, “I don’t like GTLDs.”
Manhattan is .com 😉 you don’t know the half of it, I used to represent Manhattan.com and presented that to Hilton Hotels … They were interested as I got a call back from the CFO himself at 3:00 AM in the morning “Is this Mr. Alessandro?” “Yessir” “You called our front desk reception in Manhattan, asking for someone who possibly handles corporate marketing. I just wanted to let you know we’re not interested.” He expected me to persuade him but I didn’t, “Click” … He called me 5 minutes later and said, “So you understand that we’re not interested in Manhattan.com and my name is (so and so) and I hold this (position).” “Yes, I understand, who did you say you were with?” the call was blocked, and I thought he was a scammer or someone I attempted to call who couldn’t afford such a name … We had a long conversation as I sat in the rain outside trying to keep the conversation afloat, I remembered HH.com was for sale at the time so I presented it to him instead, he asked “How much?” And I told him “$6M on the wood.” He didn’t say, we can’t afford it, he didn’t say, no thanks, he just said, “let me process that.”
I never sold him the name and I never heard from him again, so if you think billion dollar companies are turning down million dollar names even in the strongest points of negotiation, you really believe companies that advertise and culturally manipulate the public are going to entertain million dollar names from people like myself … Forever …
I believe everyone here can reasonably say that is flawed logic, if it be a 100 years before digital real estate takes it place; so be it. It did, it will, it shall. It won’t take that long though ! GTLDs are not going to replace .com and TLDs and CCTLDs are not going to dissapear … These elements of digital real estate will coexist is their own forms !
When I think as a domainer, you have paid a high price. You should have considered some alternative domain.
When I think as a entrepreneur, any price you are willing to pay is worth enough as long as you believe that the business will leverage from the domain name.
It takes financial ability, guts to break the norm, a long term business vision to invest like this. Undoubtedly, you are a courageous entrepreneur.
If you believe this domain will contribute to the success of your business, then it is good buy.
Congratulations, Wish You Good Luck.
Look at all these salty .com domains owners who can’t accept the fact the new era is slowly coming. But hey, I don’t blame you. If I was a .com investor, I’d also say new TLDs are not worth it.
All these salty .com owners who know the industry for years and expect an end user to not only know the industry that well as well, but also to follow their rules instead of creating “something new”. Damn, I bet if someone “overpaid” for a .com domain, not a single one of you would say a word. But again, I don’t blame you.
New domains are coming. New websites are coming. New people are coming. It’s a slow process, but it’s happening. Deal with it.
How to make fake domain transaction to be able to report it for publicity and looks like real: (case potentially desired by registries which want to impose growth of sales of newgTLD premium domains)
1. Confidential agreement saying that
2. Seller sells and Buyer buys via escrow for amount Z
3. Buyer receives a bill of exchange (or sometimes called “in blanco bill of exchange”) from Seller on the amount of Z or (Z-1%)
4. Parties agree that Seller will support a venture of Buyer with marketing budget of Z (or Z-10% or Z+10%) in the period of X months/years.
5. Parties agree that if Seller don’t execute the commitment 4, Buyer is allowed to execute bill of exchange mentioned in point 3.
6. Parties agree that they are both obligated to keep the deal in strict confidence. As the confidentiality of the terms is especially important for the seller, buyer agrees to pay damages fee of $1m in case of disclosure of confidential information. Optionally secured with another bill of exchange from buyer to seller.
In this way, a transaction can be reported, proof of escrow can be presented publicly, fellow domainers can start mass registrations and especially end-users can start buying (really buying) next domains as they’re so great and sell so well. It’s a complicated way, just in case. Things can be done easier.
Nobody will ever know for how much home.loans sold.
Meanwhile, business.loans sold for $10k only at extensively promoted Namescon live auction? Did it sell or did not and there will be another round after live auction?
They definitely could have “CHOSEN” a better buyer, not some scammer as is quite clear now by many other comments.
But as the saying goes, “birds of a feather flock together”
Desperate times call for desperate measures!
Adam, that sounds about right for how this Home.loans deal went down. Some are quick to quick to condemn, but that’s only because they are emotionally and financially invested in NGTLD’s so they don’t have the healthy skepticism that most domain investors do, they just see rainbows and butterflies and instead of wanting proof, they just start using this sale for their own agenda!
Success at last, Donuts for everyone, the NGTLD’s have always since inception gone crazy with cheap prices, then steep price hikes, fake sales, unscrupulous people, and many are run as cleverly disguised ponzi schemes so it’s no surprise to see them doing all this .
This is pretty much how the coffee.club domain transaction took place, but with the confidential agreement . The buyer there said in the interview .club was paying for a lot of his marketing expenses and customer acquisition .
newGTLD domains that exactly match natural language phrases come with targeted type-in traffic.
We own about 30 newGTLD domains and get 1500 to 2000 human visitors a day of direct type-in traffic, and about 40,000 search engine visits per day.
HOMES.FOR.SALE gets about 1000 visitors per week.
Taking CPC from Facebook advertising at $0.30 per click (that’s a really low estimate), you could say HOMES.FOR.SALE is worth ~$15K per year on visitors alone. Assuming the type-in visitors are about as targeted as the facebook click-throughs – which seems pretty fair to me, as the conversion rate on paid click throughs is typically not great, at around 10%.
Donuts will know how much type-in traffic HOME.LOANS gets and will have reflected that in the price.
And that’s without even talking about the SEO benefits and the sales potential from those visits.
So, personally, I find the $500K price reasonably credible. Its costs a lot of money to turn a “brandable” dot-COM into an actual brand. Uber spent $295 million in the first half of 2015 on sales & marketing. A domain name that comes with targeted visitors without any effort is worth something.
I would wager that the vast majority of type-in traffic for your new gTLDs is from domainers and speculators because the general public doesn’t have a clue about them. And I disagree with your statement that it costs a lot of money to turn a “brandable” dotCOM into an actual brand. We have never spent a penny promoting our Nashville,com, PalmSprings.com, Whisky.com, Kennel.com, Rate.com, Mancure.com, Sample.com etc and the type-in traffic for ANY of those names would blow the very best new gTLD out of the water..
David, it just goes to show these NGTLD schemers will believe whatever they want to believe as long as it serves their agenda.
James, if you comment/advertise your NGTLD on all the .com domain places, which I have seen many of your comments, of course, you’ll get visitors to your NGTLD, but to think that people are going to put 2 dots in between the word HOMES.FOR.SALE without ANY spaces is not only ignorant, but very naive.
If people type something besides a .com in the URL box, in most every case it would be “Homes For Sale” which is why Google is ranked #1 on the web, otherwise, they would type HomesForSale.com. You’d be lucky if someone typed your domain correctly if someone was staring at it aside from copying & pasting it from a .com domain community posting.
Truth be told! And great use of the domain HOMES.FOR.SALE trying to unload it to someone that will naively believe your quackery.
You couldn’t give me that domain and if I were you I would drop it, especially since the Reg is likely MUCH more than a .com. Much like a desert has very little to no organic traffic, the same can be said for your NGTLD’s.
Question of curiosity,
Do you still use the URL box and do you still use HTTP and WWW 😉
Yes, I still use the URL box or address bar as it is how most people get from one address to another online. Besides bookmarks, how else would you navigate the web?
No, there is no point to type HTTP or www as those are auto populated by the address bar.
@ Reuben
See that’s what is so funny, it’s not a URL box … If you have an iPhone; open up Safari (Apples own search engine) and just search a letter, no .com no address … You’re using a search engine until you type .com or any other extension for that matter …
I would wager a bet that most of the world doesn’t use .com as we so believe, instead they just type out the name, location, company, person, whatever they are looking for … It used to not be the case but ever since the new internet age has taken place people are just searching for what they are looking for …
Given $500K is a lot of money, with the proper SEO – a lot can be done with this name, a whole lot more then $500K … And I am certain that is what justifies the price point paid by Blake.
There is NO hope for SEO with Home.Loans – as I mentioned before, it will never rank for “Home Loans” as that phrase is dominated by .coms, Half the page is expensive ads which would have been a better investment for $500K than a NGTLD that you have to admit is a complete gamble at that price, let alone I doubt this domain sold for anywhere near that price as the “story” is one big donut hole.
Another quarter of the page is taken by Local Results
GuaranteedRate does not even rank on the first 10 pages for home loans, they have to advertise. They are a top 5 lender with many many billions in loans. Then you even have companies like Costco advertising for Home Loans. So if think the $500K Price is justified because of the SEO potential of the domain, that must be some good weed.
On an iphone, I still use the address bar to navigate, whether it be search or directly to a .com, which if I know the website I am going to I always type in the .com because it waste more time searching google than just typing .com, this is part of the reason people are phgchologically programed to type .com, in school people are even taught about using the internet and .coms, which cannot be said for these NGTLD’s. Most everything a person does on the internet is on a .com, we’re talking on a .com blog now as most all serious companies use a .com.
@ Reuben
First off I am not a bad guy nor do you seem to be … But I am just telling you without equivocation, the world is changing, and more importantly for all of us here, the digital world is changing …
Guaranteed Rate is not in the top 5 lenders for mortgage loans, the big one is (Loan Depot) who I’m partners with, Quicken Loans, and the big banks, Citi, Bofa, Wells Fargo, Ect.
And I strongly believe, you’re taking this sale out of context. I don’t think it’s a ridiculous price at all, the other day I read Mike Mann sold TruckCrashLaw.com for $6500 ?! I find this story much more believable then that, and don’t even get me started on Sharjil and the ETH.com sale for $2M … The industry is filled with liars, you quickly learn that from the start of this game, but that’s what it is a game, it’s a market, it’s a win or lose kinda game. Seldom do people win, and a lot of people do lie about winning, but in this case; I know a little bit more about this sale then most.
In the end of all things, why did Citi Bank purchase both Mortgage.com and Mortgage.biz
…
Last time I checked .biz is a GTLD and it forwards to the .com
…
I just find that kinda funny that they wanted that name; and surely given their status in the world, they could pay 10 times that without flinching, not saying they did, just saying; it’s interesting
…
Everyday I am seeing something new, and that’s because there are millions of business’ being born by the minute, how many you think are funded by banks or venture capital ? They all can’t afford to brand their name with 3 words, 15 letters + or a $20K sub par name from a .com investor who believes he has struck gold,
No doubt people are being taken advantage of, in both worlds of TLDs and GTLDs this is the case.
@ David
I apologize but maybe my eyes deceive me sometimes, did you happen to say you own Rate.com? As in Guaranteed Rate, the mortgage company ?
If that is the case ^ I find it just incredible David, that you’re not aware of how valuable the mortgage and home loan industry is …
I can answer this question, as I mentioned it in an earlier comment. David sold Rate.com to GuaranteedRate.com for $725K which is another reason why Home.Loans selling for $500K is a complete joke.
I imagine a Rick Schwartz deal of taking an equity holding of the company would have made it a better deal, but the company was already doing many many billions in loans long before they acquired Rate.com so that was likely not an option they would have considered.
David even said LasVegas.com is more valuable than HomeLoans.com – if anyone knows, it’s him as you can see he owns many other valuable locations.
@ David
Part 2
Oh is this the Castello that sold whisky.com ~ I thought that was a brokered deal ? And furthermore, why would you have to promote any of these names, they are killers, they promote themselves.
The argument James was making is that the names you’ve showed are clearly being marketing with hundreds of millions, Rate.com – can’t go 2 hours without saying their commercial on some channels.
“I would wager that the vast majority of type-in traffic for your new gTLDs is from domainers and speculators”
Ha! … I wish … seriously I really wish I was getting 1500 to 2000 “domainers and speculators” every day I really do
If you REALLY mean you would wager on that – I will take that bet on. No problems. I have 10 weeks of Apache access log, which can be analysed by a independent expert.
We also have webchat on the site and people talk to us – the REALLY frustrating thing for us is that MOST visitors are end users.
Sadly, end users are NOT the people we’re looking to sell to – if they type dog.for.sale, they want to buy a flipping dog – we’ve been chatting to them.
Just yesterday someone was asking me about buying a StBernard (dog) – it takes a lot of explaining to somebody who thinks you sell StBernards to understand you only sell domain names – they’re not even similar! We get even more asking about Pugs – they’re really trendy right now – I don’t get it, I think they ugly.
The people we really want to talk to is people who are SELLING dogs – they are the ones who want our visitors.
I’m sorry your mind is so closed you can’t conceive of the idea that end users really do just type in newGTLDs, but they do – clearly there is nothing I can say to convince you.
Our Twitter feed auto-posts the most used domain phrases from the last hour, but I guess you’ll just dismiss that as fake – it’s not, but clearly you can conceive of only one answer, no matter the question, no matter the evidence.
If you don’t want to take up my offer of accepting your bet, then here’s another thought…
We offer a 30 day free trial – take out a few domains on a free trial and see for yourself.
If you want some tips on names to take the trial on, look at our twitter feed or DM me via twitter (link on the site) or directly on the site – or email [email protected]
From now until Valentines gifts.for.men will be getting a fair bit of traffic. Geez man – the fact the traffic is seasonal should tell you its REAL!
Others you might want to try are time.in.london or trucks.for.sale
I think we allow you to have up to 5 free trial domains
“I would wager that the vast majority of type-in traffic for your new gTLDs is from domainers and speculators”
I also own new gTLDs with type-in traffic in the thousands per month. One domain I own (loan related as well) has a CPC of $40 and I can tell you I am making decent money owning the name. I don’t think domainers and speculators are clicking these ads.
I have said previously type-in traffic for gTLDs can comfortably exceed the type-in traffic for equivalent .com names. My logic is people using their phone try and execute a search for say, “Healthy Recipes” and accidentally click period instead of the space bar, thus connecting the words and finding themselves on the website Healthy.Recipes…
wow there’s a lot of lies on this page, thousands of type-in traffic a month huh? Post a link to some screenshots
Nick, Nothing I’ve written is a lie and I REALLY object STRONGLY to you saying that with ZERO evidence. That shows a really narrow minded and arrogant attitude.
…
We published screenshots from our Google Analytics some time ago. We also regularly publish them on Twitter.
https://names.of.london/press/are-you-ready-for-mobile/
It doesn’t show the acquisition overview, so here’s a screenshot taken just now.
https://names.of.london/press/Selection_2018-02-03_001.png
But the trouble with this kind of attitude is you will (no doubt) just turn round and say its all fake, all the screenshots are also a lie.
No worries – we’re happy for you to miss out – sitting with your fingers in your ears singing “com com com” to yourself. So who’s the deluded one now?
…
but like I said before, if you don’t beleive me, take one of the domains I suggested on a 30 day free trial.
@ James
Some people are just ignorant here James 😉
You realize you can manipulate results to serve your agenda as it seems you are desperate to unload these junk NGTLD’s. If they are the greatest thing in the world, why not keep them and develop them to make money instead of wasting your time trying to convince people that know the truth. If you actually believed in the potential of NGTLD’s, you would be developing them until they reach maturity instead of doing everything possible to “throw the baby out with the bathwater”.
Bill lost ALL credibility when you said, NGTLD traffic can exceed the type-in traffic for .coms which have been around well over a quarter of a century.
You realize you can BUY Direct Traffic to serve your agenda. Just type “Buy Direct Traffic” in google and you’ll see:
https://www.thebestwebtraffic.com/purchase/buy-direct-traffic-regular-traffic-from-direct-links/
This website likely looks familiar to you!
@ Reuben
where are you at in the world and what’s your username on Namepros
Just curious. I like to think location effects the mentality of people, just look at the Chinese and Russians !
I am in USA! I ditched Namepros when they forced me to change my longtime username that I had for about a decade. I refused so they assigned me a junk generic one.
I tried and tried to reason with them as a domain name community, they should know how important names are, especially ones that users have had for so long so forcing users to change their names should be forbidden.
I will never use NP again and I am very UNHAPPY that ERIC LYON of all people would do this to me! He clearly does not care about his users.
My username was: Dammit which after nearly 10 years, Eric contacted me out of the blue one day forcing me to change my username as he said Dammit is a bad word which is a complete joke after so long of me using the username. People use the word all the time to avoid using bad words such a F***, etc.
Literally right after he changed my username, a Hurricane destroyed his house!
Wow, you are an [email protected]
How am I an asshole? He changed my username that I had for nearly 10 years and I am the asshole for pointing that out.
If i took something you cared about for nearly a decade and destroyed it, would it be right for me to call you an asshole?
You’re rubbing it in his face that his house was destroyed in a hurricane?
I guess, in your mind, it’s ok to destroy something that someone else cares about, but then when it happens to you, it’s not ok. Please explain as that sounds very hypocritical!
Ruben, you said you were “willing to wager”, I offered to take you up, and you haven’t accepted. Says it all.
That tells me everything about you I need to know – your word is as good as a fart in the wind.
Instead you just rant on and on with a new delusion about how the evidence I was asked for, and provided (live), is fake – which is NO doubt what you would say to all evidence presented.
…
The reason I haven’t developed the names, is I’m currently marketing about 40,000 three word phrase domain names and I was hoping to sell them for other people to develop – I was the CTO at dot-IO for ten years, so running a registry is my thing, not so much developing domain names.
I bought FOR.SALE – add (for example) “dogs” and you get “dogs.for.sale” – it gets targeted type-in traffic (I’ve chatted with the people who typed it in) – about 350 a week – again, not a ton, but makes the name worth about $5K on click-throughs alone.
If you were smart enough to read my blogs you would know why newGTLD domains that exact match natural language get type-in traffic. If you don’t own any, they you are in no position to say they don’t – go buy one, any one – or get one from me FREE for 30 days.
I also wrote an article about how the SEO boost works, coffee.club really saw this when they first went live.
There is publically available data that anybody can download and analyze that will tell you what newGTLD Domain names (that form natural language phrases) will get the most type-in traffic – my algorithm predicted FOR.SALE would get more than any other. Again, this is the sort of area my skill lies, rather than developing a domain name.
Two word phrases obviously get more type-in traffic than three word phrases, but they are far more rare and so much more expensive. By extending to three words you can reduce the price, increase the availability and use domains like “of.london” to make three words phrases where they don’t work as a two word phrase.
I NEVER said I was willing to wager, that was David Castello, and why would he waste his time with your junk NGTLD’s. And as I already said, someone can take your free trial and you can buy Direct Traffic to serve your agenda.
PLEASE, if your junk NGTLD’s were that great, you wouldn’t have to sell and spam them everywhere, take it from David Castello.
That traffic looks like It’s from the a phone app like Automated Traffic Bot
I own home.broker